I would posit a few things. I am a lifelong bodybuilder, non competitive, and I am very veinous, but that came with the package after I lost 85 lbs. 34 years ago. I have great delts, great shoulders, but not boulders, as the notion of chems to get results is appalling to me. At 68, I still have, and continue to build, superb muscle with little more than good solid diet discipline and regular workouts that I change up as needed for injury or rest. Part of that is genetics, but as a tall person with long limbs, it has taken me a shitton of time to get any size at all. I have a six pack, but it's the six pack of a 68 year old woman with a long history of lifting, and time spent obese. The body I have, the one that gives me 120 men's pushups every other day, the beauty queen proportions I sport nearing seventy took me a lifetime to sculpt. I get accused of using chems regularly. Honestly, given the thousands of hours I have put into this, the intense commitment to health as opposed to just looking good, that's about as insulting as it gets. But it speaks to how common chems are, and how incredulous people when you show up ripped because you worked at it.